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Tcanuck
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Hi....
I got interested in Delphi by downloading the trail version 5 from the net, and decided to purchase the Delphi 6 Personal edition. I have a couple small projects i've been working on that I would like to save.

My Questions are...
Can i install Delphi 6 over the trial version 5? Should i use add/remove programs to uninstall it?
What files do i have to backup or save to keep the projects i've been working on?

Thanks for any remarks or opinions in advance... :)
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Thread Started 7/7/2001 2:32:00 PM
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Tcanuck
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Hi Scott,
Thanks for the great reply.
I saved the files and did the uninstall as you suggested. During uninstall, i answered no, to deleting all shared files, including a bunch of .dll files and ended up with the C/Program Files/Borland folder still on my computer. It's got .exe files from my first attempts at programming, that i no longer need and multitudes of other files from the Delphi 5 trial version. I'd like to free up the space on my hardrive....can i safely delete this whole folder before i install Delphi 6?
TIA
Tim... :)
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Tcanuck
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Thanks again Scott,
Everything went well. I deleted the old Borland folder from Delphi 5 Trial. Installation and registration of 6 went smoothly.

I made a new folder under the Borland Projects folder for my saved files from my Delphi 5 Trail project (.dpr,.dfm,.pas) and got the ".res not found" error as you described when trying to open it.
After that i get a "Class TDBGrid not found" and am forced to exit.

I really should rebuild what i've already accomplished for just practice, but it'd be nice to know the solution to this one.

Any ideas?
Thanks again for your help...Big Grin!

I also see that there isn't near as many components on Delphi 6, as there were on the Delphi 5 Trail version. What's with that?
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Tcanuck
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hmmmmmm...is right!
Ouch...that hurt
That puts an end to my progamming career...lol
Guess i should have checked out what was included in the Personal Edition, before i purchased it.

As my pet project is a stock market buy/sell generator, that has to connect to the internet, it looks like my project has come to an end. Don't think the Personal Edition has the components i need?


Although it's just a personal project at the moment, I think it would have great commercial value eventually as I have been perfecting the system for years and just need to get the filters and parameters incorporated into a single application to generate signals, but at this time don't want to invest in a Professional Edition.
Thanks for the (ahmmm) reply, anyway Scott.
Your help's been greatly appreciated... Big Grin!

Anyone want to play around with this project, reply to this post or send me an email....
Tim
tcanuck07@hotmail.com
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Post ID #2940 (Level 1.3)  Reply to 2902
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Tcanuck
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PS.....
Anybody need a copy of the Delphi 6 Personal Edition?

lol
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Tcanuck
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Hi Scott...
Thanks again for the response.
When I decided to start this project, I didn't know a Java Bean, from a Jelly Bean. (Not that I know much more now.) All I knew was that my favorite charting and trading platform was written with Delphi and I wanted to build an application that would assist my trading style.
You know what they say about the "mother of all invention"...Big Grin!

After researching, as much as possible, I found many testimonials on Delphis' ease of use and versatility. I saw the trial offer and took a shot at it and it did amaze me. After only a couple nights, I had a great (basic) GUI built and heading in the right direction, still knowing there was miles to go.

After such fast success, I figured I better get my own copy. What i was thinking (wrongly so) was that (upgrading) to version 6 Personal Edition would carry me further toward my goal. Being such a newbie, I thought version 6 would at least have what i was using in the trial version 5. Oh well...live and learn...Big Grin!

Dont worry about me giving up. The thought never crossed my mind. In fact, you just opened the door to my next plan of action. With more research and opinions, I'll be able to figure out what components will be best suited to my project and get a little farther down the road.

Your replies have been greatly appreciated...Big Grin!
Tim

ps...believe me...I've got a good idea how impressive Delphi is... Big Grin!
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Post ID #2943 (Level 1.5)  Reply to 2902
Reply Posted 7/10/2001 4:22:00 PM
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Scott Wehrly
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Uninstalling the trial version of Delphi 5 first will not take long, and is probably a better idea than installing over it. That way, you make sure that Delphi 6 has a clean environment - always a smart move.




For backing up your projects, the important files are:

  *.dpr - the project files.
  *.dfm - the form files
  *.pas - the unit files
  *.inc - include files (usually added by third-party or advanced developers)




If you did any component or package projects, you will also need to backup:


  *.dpk - the package project files
  *.dcr - the palette resource files




Note that all of the other files in a Delphi project can be recreated. The *.dof files are the compiler options for a project, so you could decide to back them up, or recreate them. The biggest reason not to preserve the *.dof files is because the Included/Excluded package list is kept in the *.dof files. Since the Delphi palette changes between versions, chances are that the *.dof files will change too.




The first thing you might get when you rebuild your projects in Delphi 6 is a warning that the *.res file is missing, and will need to be recreated. This is normal. Just rebuild the project and the *.res file will be rebuilt as well.
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Reply Posted 7/9/2001 6:57:00 AM
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Well, it's OK to go ahead and delete the files under the C:\Program Files\Borland folder if you don't have any other Borland products installed. Big Grin! I suspect that you don't, since you got the prompt asking if you want to delete the shared files (which means that they weren't identified anywhere else in the Windows Registry as being shared). You could have said "Yes" to the prompt - no harm done.




As a rule, you might want to set up a separate Projects root folder for all of the new projects you build. Follow the easy steps in the Delphi Environment settings to assign this folder as your ever-present working project folder. It's easier (for maintenance, backups, and upgrades) if you don't keep working files in the same tree as the Borland installation folders. Big Grin!
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Reply Posted 7/9/2001 3:51:00 PM
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Scott Wehrly
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Hmmm. Well, this might sting a little... I

When you downloaded the trial version of D5, you had a limited version of the Professional version of Delphi.

Now, you have a copy of the Personal Edition of Delphi. This pertains to both of your issues.

The reason that the palette has fewer icons is that the Personal Edition ships with only a portion of the full VCL. Most of the components that you no longer have are the client/server development components, and I'm afraid that includes TDBGrid. That's why the error appeared...the component is no longer in the palette.

The only legitimate solution is to upgrade to the Professional Edition...which is what most of us Delphi developers use.

Just FYI...the Personal Edition is targeted to the academic community, mainly as a teaching tool. If you're going to build any commercial applications in Delphi, though, most of what you'll need is in the Professional Edition.
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Scott Wehrly
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I hate to see anyone give up on Delphi so willingly. I'm sure Bill Gates just did a little Irish jig in his office.
Roll Eyes




Although, if you shop and compare the next-gen tool from Microsoft (Visual .Net), the cost (and ease of use) of Delphi will seem much more appetizing.




Before you completely give up, bear this in mind:


  1. There are third-party Delphi components for specific technical solutions - and most of them are affordable. Many of them are alternatives to standard VCL components.

  2. The list price of Delphi Professional is not necessarily the shelf price. If you shop around, you can get that $700 package for less.

  3. If you are going to seriously market a product - you'll have some up-front costs. Naturally, you expect to recoup those costs in the first phase of marketing the product. Sun spoiled us all with free Java, but I either have to invest in third-party beans or many hours of my time before I can build a commercial Java app.




I'll step aside as a Prestwood employee and talk about your project as an experienced Delphi programmer. What you describe is a straight-forward app in Delphi Pro. The tools and solutions are there. You don't have to re-invent the wheel with Delphi. I hope you do find someone who wants to pick up the ball and complete your project in Delphi, just so you get an idea of how impressive this product really is.




Don't give up just yet...
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