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How to sell a program written by D6 Personal?

How to sell a program written by D6 Personal? in Delphi News / Other topic (part of our Pascal and Delphi Coding group).

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I wrote a program by D6 personal. Initially for fun, but now it turns out I may sell it for some money. Does anyone know how much money I need to pay borland if I want sell a program written by D6 per? I'm a student, $1000 pro version is too much for me. I hope I will not need to re-write it by c++. Borland's tools are excellent, but the price is a little high.
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Just to stick in my My Two Cents worth.. I have found in the past out there on the big wide net an educational type place that would sell to students at a hugely discounted rate things like Delphi - rather like you can get a MS type student license.

Problem is, I have'nt got a clue where I saw it, but it does exist so look at this suggestion as an initative test and even ask Borland, they might know of something for students!

Thats enough of that. Ed.

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Post ID #8307 (Level 1.1)  Reply to 8259
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Rick Carter
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Scott was right to tell you to check License.txt and Deploy.txt, but incorrect in his assumption; the license for Personal forbids any commercial deployment.
When working on a limited budget, you may have to look around for options and be creative. You may be able to find an older version of Pro cheap. If your code compiles and runs fine in that version, you could just deploy from there. Or, you could purchase a Pro upgrade (might as well move to D7 Pro if you do) after first buying that older version.
I don't know where you live, but the December 2002 issue of the UK magazine PC Plus includes D7 Personal on the cover disk, and an opportunity to
upgrade it to D7 Pro at a special reduced price.
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Post ID #8303 (Level 1.2)  Reply to 8259
Reply Posted 11/14/2002 7:11:00 AM
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Rick Carter
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Well, if your professional ethics demand that you do the right thing and play fair, you'll have to decide what that means for you. And of course there's the separate question of what you can get caught doing wrong.
When Borland released D6 Personal as a free dowload, they made it clear that it was OK do distribute freeware made with Personal, but not any commercial applications. When it was pointed out that someone could develop something in Personal and put it out as freeware, and it could be later incorporated by someone else into a commercial application, some at Borland were disconcerted about this. Borland stressed that they don't want to see any code developed under Personal ending up as part of a commercial app, but admitted that it could be impossible to track.
As far as Academic versions, Borland realized too late that the license and agreement with Academic versions of Delphi through D5 was identical to the commercial versions (whoops!). They agreed that those who bought those versions could "let their conscience be their guide." With D6 and D7 Academic, the license is much more restrictive, and even prohibits deploying apps to any other computer that does not have an installation of the same Academic version.
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Post ID #8310 (Level 1.3)  Reply to 8259
Reply Posted 11/15/2002 9:26:00 AM
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On your first question, Scott, yes, License.txt should read differently if that copy of D6Ent is an Academic version.

On your second question, since you're pressing me for an answer, the D6 Personal License.txt states several times in several places that "You may not receive any direct or indirect compensation for the distribution or use of your Works." What you're advocating sounds like "indirect compensation," and so, by the book, the holder of the D6 Personal license would be violating the agreement.

As I stated before, you'll also have to ask yourself what's right, what's fair, and what you can get caught doing wrong. Big Grin! And I'd have to add that advocating a plan such as you suggest on a public forum might cause you and your business to be subject to closer scrutiny.
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Post ID #8331 (Level 1.4)  Reply to 8259
Reply Posted 11/18/2002 9:37:00 AM
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Rick Carter
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Scott, as I reread things, you were indeed just asking "what if," and I don't mean to say anything negative about Prestwood and your business ethics.

As far as Personal being "try before you buy," perhaps that's not exactly what it is. Though many downloaded a free version of D6Pers, many others paid about $100 US for a copy of D6 or D7 Personal. In the license agreement, they needed to agree that, should any of their code ever be used commercially, they would buy a copy of the equivalent Pro version.

There's a discussion thread right now in borland.public.delphi.non-technical where some are arguing that Borland needs to provide some better way for people to make the first step up from hobbyist/student to a modest commercial sale. I'd encourage b6user and anyone else who is interested to join in that discussion thread.
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Post ID #8340 (Level 1.5)  Reply to 8259
Reply Posted 11/18/2002 12:31:00 PM
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Well, if you have license issues, check the README.TXT or LICENSE.TXT that came with your copy of Delphi 6. It may indicate that you don't have a fee issue with Borland. Since it's D6 Personal, you're not using any of the "megabucks" license tools like DataSnap, so I don't believe there's an issue.



As to where to sell it, our favorite site is
Old UBB Archived Link: [URL=http://www.tucows.com]Tucows.Com[/URL]
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Post ID #8260 (Level 1.6)  Reply to 8259
Reply Posted 11/11/2002 2:58:00 PM
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Scott Wehrly
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Yes, Rick, I was making an assumption, since all I've dealt with in the past 7 years with Delphi are Professsional and Enterprise versions. Thanks for the clarification.



Now, how about this scenario? Confused What if our friend b6user signed an agreement with a professional developer (such as yourself or us at Prestwood) to take his code and rebuild it in our licensed version of Delphi Pro or Enterprise, and then make it available for b6user to market? What would be the issues there?



b6user would be the author of the code, but a licensed Borland developer would be the contractor who builds the executable. Is this a gray area, or flat-out violation of the license agreement?



If this scenario seems acceptable, then our friend b6user could wind up paying far less than $1000.00 for a Pro version, and it would give him an opportunity to make some income off of his application, and save up to buy his own copy of Delphi Pro.

Think!
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Post ID #8306 (Level 1.7)  Reply to 8259
Reply Posted 11/14/2002 8:03:00 AM
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Yes, there are online (and brick-and-mortar) sites where students can get discounted software. Borland's site even has links to those online sites for students.



For instance, one of our staff, who is attending evening classes at a local college, purchased Delphi 6 Enterprise at 40% off. A good price, considering the "street price" is $2000 U.S.



But even with D6 Pro - at $1000 "street price", 40% off gives it a $600 price - which is still out of reach for many college students. Roll Eyes



But, consider if said student developed said Delphi 6 app in Personal Edition, then contracted with a licensed Borland developer and paid a $50.00 "consulting fee" to build the code in D6 Pro/Enterprise, then said student took said executable and sold 10 copies for $5.00 each, said student could break even, and possibly not violate the license agreement. Think!



And, after selling another 120 copies, said student could purchase D6 Pro and get it properly licensed. Geek Alert!
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Post ID #8308 (Level 1.8)  Reply to 8259
Reply Posted 11/14/2002 2:13:00 PM
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From what you say, Rick, we'd better check that copy of D6 Enterprise to see if it says "D6 Enterprise Academic". True? Otherwise, it could cause problems with any software that staff member builds, right?



Your answer still doesn't address the "rebuilt on a licensed copy" question, and I'd like to hear what the other Delphi forum members have to say... Confused
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Reply Posted 11/15/2002 4:14:00 PM
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Rick, thanks for the clarification.



I would agree with your assessment of "indirect compensation". Pity.



For myself, as a software professional, the cost of a new edition of Delphi is just part of my "infastructure" costs.



I also see where D6 Personal is a "try before you buy" release, and that makes sense. Of course, this doesn't help b6user, who clearly has to find a way to come up with the "ramp-up costs" in order to "join the club". Big Grin!
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Reply Posted 11/18/2002 11:23:00 AM
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As for the added scrutiny, we have nothing to hide here at Prestwood. Big Grin! My email was just a solicitation for opinion. I wasn't prepared to make an offer to b6user to carry out my suggestion without knowing all of the facts.
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Rick, I knew that you weren't saying anything negative about Prestwood. I'm glad you clarified these points, since I wasn't as current on the license agreements, and it's good to know what to tell Delphi-newbies about software distribution.



And I admit that I was perhaps trying to start our own thread about the discussion, but at least the borland.public.delphi threads have a chance to be seen by the decision-makers at Borland.
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