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Larry Drews
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As a result of an extended discussion in the H1B thread, I suggested that we start a new topic on brainstorming ideas for finding work in the current market. This includes job hunting tips as well as ideas for software products to develop or software services to offer.

The idea is to have everyone throw out as many ideas as possible with the intention that those who are out of work grab any useful ones and use them to get a job, get a contract with a user, or start developing a product to sell. Any of these are better than sitting by the phone waiting for it to ring!

So, everyone, if you have any ideas that you are willing to share, please pitch them in now!
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Hells bells Larry, at this rate you'll be jumping in Rank from from Lieutenant-Junior Grade to GeneralQueenCommander 3rdClass in about two days flat.......

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Thats enough of that. Ed.

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Larry, these are all very good ideas. Big Grin! We even use a few of them to drum up new business for Prestwood.



One thing that should not be forgotten in all of this is that many companies are facing thin profits and/or budget shortfalls in the current economy. We find that a lot of businesses like our ideas and proposals, but tell us that they have to wait until it can fit in the budget. So, I would add patience and diligence to most of your proposals.
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The Sacramento Business Journal, a weekly business newspaper, has lists of companies, their executives, etc. Subscribe to the newspaper and get a copy of their "Bookk of Lists". Use the names to begin prospecting for job leads. Read a couple of books on "prospecting" before you start so that you do not burn the list for yourself or others.
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Bid on various Request For Proposals from federal, state, and local governments. To gain a price advantage, set up relationships with programmers over the internet in Russia, Bulgaria, etc. where they are willing to work less expensively than here. Subcontract tasks like code review, test case development, specific program modules, etc. You act as the primary developer and integrator.

You too can outsource to offshore!
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Develop specialized components for vertical markets.

For example, I was thinking of what kind of components would make developing IVR (Interactive Voice Response) systems easier and faster to develop.

What systems or applications do you have experience with? What were their main problems? What kinds of software components would help solve those problems?

Let's see, there are lots of orchards around Sacramento. What problems do orchard growers face? How about optimizing tree planting? What would help there? Special graphics? Layout algorithms? Crop yield calculators? Optimizing spraying patterns? Scheduling programs specific to orchard agriculture? Equipment maintenance programs? Transient payroll programs? Hybrid history programs? Trucking/delivery comparison and costing programs?

What else? C'mon, your turn.
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How about auditing backup procedures?

Offer every company to come in and do a thorough audit of their backup procedures. Review their process, actually oversee a backup and restore of their database, check their retention process, their offsite failsafe, etc.

Investigate all of the info on the Web, get a hold of every book on the subject and become and overnight expert in backup technology. Prepare a simple letter offering your services and send it to every executive in town. Follow up with a phone call a couple of days after you send the letter. Just ask for an appointment to discuss your services; don't try to sell them anything over the phone, just the appointment. Offer to do a preliminary review for free just to let them know if there are any obvious problems. Spend a couple of hours in their facility talking to their computer staff. If you can't spot any problems or opportunities in a couple of hours, pfui on you!
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Offer some inexpensive training on a topic that you are expert in. Doesn't have to be much, just an hour of presentation. For example, how about a presentation on source code managment systems that are available and how to use them effectively. Put together an hour long presentation. Offer to come into a company's facility and give it for a nominal sum, say $100. You will get in the door, meet potential clients/employers, meet other programmers to network with, be in a position to spot other opportunities to sell to the client, etc.

Better than sitting at home watching TV, right?
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Locate the current users of software that is becoming obsolete. For example, Pick applications. Learn enough about the obsolete software so that you can approach the user and offer a low-cost conversion to a more up-to-date technology.

Or how about FileManager users. This is a simple database/report system used by millions of small businesses. Contact current FileManager users to find out if any of them are outgrowing its capabilities and need to move to something more capable. Make a proposal to them to do so.
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Offer your services as an offshore project manager. Talk with managers at the bigger companies to find out if any of them are interested in investigating the use of offshore development. Offer to research, arrange, and manage a small pilot project to determine feasibility and potential cost savings.
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Form a consortium. Find several firms in the same business that are too small to afford their own programming staff. Offer to be their programming staff and share the expense among them.
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Contact companies with national or international software sales. Offer to provide technical support for Northern California.
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Scott,


One thing that should not be forgotten in all of this is that many companies are facing thin profits and/or budget shortfalls in the current economy. We find that a lot of businesses like our ideas and proposals, but tell us that they have to wait until it can fit in the budget. So, I would add patience and diligence to most of your proposals.


Absolutely! Any time that you are marketing, patience and diligence are essential.

My basic message right now is: If you are sitting at home, unemployed, any marketing activity is an improvement. In this market you may have to approach 5x as many prospects as you would normally, but what else is there to do? Try to figure out an angle that others haven't in order to improve the odds, but do something!

And in this market, the key to success may very well be that you have to show the potential customer/employer how hiring you is going to immediately save them money or immediately increase sales or both. If you can make that direct connection for them, you will dramatically improve your success rate.
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Try to get a list of companies that have had significant layoffs of software people in the last year. Every company that I know of that has laid off software people have overdone it! Now that some time has passed, some of those managers are getting frantic because they can't meet their deadlines and they can't hire people.

But they usually can bring in short-term contractors/consultants. So approach them and offer yourself as a short-term contractor at an attractive rate.
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Focus on utility companies. Many times their business does not decrease during a recession. So they may be able to put you to work. Make them an offer they can't refuse!
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Many of the large manufacturing companies in the US are forcing their suppliers to integrate with the large company's ordering systems. Call the big manufacturing companies and see if they can give you leads on suppliers that are having trouble getting up to speed. Contact the suppliers and offer your services.
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Lots of software/hardware companies drop support for existing products because the market no longer justifies their spending their resources on maintaining that product. Research the trade newspapers for such annoucements, contact the company and see if they will put you in contact with the users. Offer the users, as a group, to continue maintenance on their software product for a subscription fee, or form an association where they pay dues or share expenses.
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Many independent contractors/consultants have a problem assuring their clients of continuing support in case of illness or death. Contact these independents and offer to be their reserve backup for a small monthly fee while you are not doing anything, and normal fees when actually stepping in to pick up or finish a project.
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If you have some heavy experience in software development, contact any of the State, County, or Local government agencies that contract for software development. Offer your services as a watchdog, a technical compliance overseer, for their current and future contracts.
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Panama has just legalized Internet Gambling Casinos. Head over the mountain to Reno, Carson City, Las Vegas and get in touch with the major gambling establishments. Offer your services to help them implement their Panamanian websites.
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Prostitution is legal in Nevada. I bet that there is a need for specialized bookkeeping systems in that field. Just think, you could be the author of "Brothel Bookkeeping 1.0". Check it out!
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An idea that I had a few months ago: What about a central website where consumers and companies could download required government forms. California has a boatload of such forms. What about a subscription based website that had all of those forms in PDF format that could be accessed and printed from a web browser? And if you could provide a convenient fill-in mechanism so that the user could print out the filled in form ready for mailing?

You might even get the governmental agencies to pay a subscription fee to make them available to the public. Get paid both ways!
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Lots of small professional firms: doctors, dentists, etc., are very undisciplined about their accounts receivables. They might have $200K-$400K in outstanding, overdue, uncollected accounts. Offer to install a decent accounting system/receivables/collection system and run it for 6 months for 1/2 of the additional amounts above normal receipts that are collected. You could potentially earn $100K or more for the six months.
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Confused So, am I the only one willing to offer suggestions to those who are out of work? C'mon, certainly others of you have ideas, know of companies looking, have tried other techniques that worked. Take a few minutes and contribute them to this thread. Help someone find a job!
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I know this is an old thread, but it's still relevant and I'd like to bring it back to life. Eek!

My suggestion: Join a professional networking group. Although it sounds like you would be surrounding yourself with unemployed losers all day, that's not the case.

The key here is that all of the people are in full job searching mode almost 24/7: Unlike people who are employed, they have their antenna on for open positions or companies who are hiring.

They know what positions you are looking for and you know what they are looking for. You help each other.

So stop hanging around people who are employed - they probably forgot what it was like to be looking for work. Yikes!
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