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Next version of Delphi announced

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Rick Carter
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Hoo-hah! Read all about it!

http://bdn.borland.com/article/0,1410,29951,00.html

http://bdn.borland.com/article/0,1410,29952,00.html
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Yep, you're reading it correctly. Here are the questions I'm struggling with:


  • With Delphi.Net, why would one want to use the VCL for .Net framework? If your target is only Windows, wouldn't you want to use the full VCL framework? I know many will want to use it because .Net is cool, but I ask this question because the technical reason you choose the CLX framework is to target Windows and Linux. One reason to choose Visual Studio.Net over Delphi is to target Windows and WinCE. I'm not yet clear what the technical reason for the existance of the VCL for .Net framework. I believe the answer is simple. The .Net framwork IS the future of Windows therefore Borland has no choice but to support the .Net framework with Delphi. If so, then my question is will the VCL framework "eventually" be dropped?
  • From Borland's web site, "...Delphi for .NET is a set of...tools...to assist in migrating existing Win32 Delphi applications to .NET.". What? Really? Does this mean Delphi is going away? Is Borland "really" going to encourage developers to go to .Net?
  • From Borland's web site, "The aim...is to allow a Delphi developer to move to .NET, taking their Delphi skills and much of their current Delphi source code with them." Wow! Really. Same question, is Delphi dying? Should I promote using Delphi or Visual Studio.Net for my clients?
  • From Borland's web site, "...Delphi...compiled in .NET...is a first class .NET citizen. Full access is available to both VCL .NET objects as well as the complete Microsoft« .NET framework objects in the same project." My question is, does this mean you can build a .Net application using Delphi for .Net that DOES NOT use the VCL at all? If so, then would Visual Studio.Net be a better choice (designed only for the .Net framework) or Delphi for .Net (designed for VCL, VCL for .Net, and CLX frameworks). Delphi USUALLY makes programming tasks easier, but is that the case here. If so, can I use VB.Net syntax AND C# code in the same project as I can with Visual Studio.Net? I know the answer is no to this last question. However, I'm "wondering" if SideWinder will be able to do this.
  • Sidewinder sounds big and bulky. Perhaps perfect for building multi-million dollar enterprise applications. However, it doesn't sound like the right tool for most web sites and for smaller business database applications. Any thoughts?

Our clients are currently asking us these questions so I tried to ask them in as open a way as I could (I tried to hide my Delphi bias).

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Post ID #9424 (Level 1.1)  Reply to 9421
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One more questions:

From Borland's web site, "Octane [Delphi 8] will include full Delphi language support for building 100% pure .NET applications..."

Does this mean you can open a Delphi.Net application in Visual Studio.Net? I don't think so, but just want to hear it for sure. Also, will you be able to "edit" and "compile" existing .Net applications?

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Post ID #9425 (Level 1.2)  Reply to 9421
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Rick,
Thanks for the reply. Although we WILL stick with Delphi, my questions are still very valid. What "angle" will Delphi take. In the past it was Delphi is better, Microsoft doesn't know how to do anything AND that proofed in so many cases to be true. Now that they have Anders, they sure look like they know what they're doing. C# sure looks good. Dice currently has 384 C# jobs and only 64 Delphi jobs.

What I need are strong technical reasons to recommend Delphi to my clients. I want to recommend Delpi. I'm currently recommending Delphi, but I'm just not sure for how much longer.

As for the FUD, I understand and strongly believe Delphi will be a great product for many years. In addition, Prestwood Software will continue to code in Delphi with enthusiasm. However, is Delphi "THE" product I should recommend to clients who are asking.

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Post ID #9469 (Level 1.3)  Reply to 9421
Reply Posted 4/24/2003 10:47:00 AM
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Yeah, C#Builder looks like a contender. As a company, we'll leverage our OO and UML experience with our Delphi, ASP, and VB skills and focus on Delphi.Net, Visual Studio.Net (C#, VB.Net, and ASP.Net) and perhaps take a close look at C#Builder.

As for a "single" dev env recommendation for my clients? I'm still currently recommending Delphi. For now.

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Post ID #9473 (Level 1.4)  Reply to 9421
Reply Posted 4/24/2003 12:30:00 PM
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Scott: You're right. My point was the ratio so 384 to 64 boils down to probably 90 to 10.

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Scott, you didn't know about Sidewinder?
Read more about it at Dr. Bob's site:
http://www.drbob42.net/SideWinder/

Mike, I'm not articulate enough on the subject to try answering your questions, but I think a lot of what you bring up has already been discussed at borland.public.delphi.netpreview

As I read it, though, the Q&A document clearly stated that Borland will continue to develop Delphi for Win32 as long as there is a market for it. Let's not start any FUD to the contrary! Big Grin!
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Post ID #9426 (Level 1.6)  Reply to 9421
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Then again, Mike, if it sounds like C# is the solution for some of your needs, it sounds like Borland will still be able to take you there!

As the article at Dr. Bob's points out, it appears from the screen shots that one will be able to do things with C# in Sidewinder that can't currently be accomplished in Visual Studio.

Borland has put up a "sneak preview" of their "C# Builder" at http://www.borland.com/csharpbuilder/
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Post ID #9471 (Level 1.7)  Reply to 9421
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If you now follow the two links at the top, you'll see Borland has needed to announce a change in plans. Delphi for .NET is still planned for release this year, but the release of the next version of Delphi for Win32 has been pushed back to next year.

As far as Sidewinder, C#Builder came out a few months ago. For those just wanting to test the waters, there's a free downloadable version of C#Builder Personal.
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It's now out, at least the expensive versions. No word yet on a demo version, personal or such. http://www.borland.com/delphi_net/ Also follow the link to the demos, as they're kind of interesting.
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Post ID #10013 (Level 1.9)  Reply to 9421
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SideWinder? Zowie!

Am I reading that correctly? Is Borland going to be releasing a C# based product this summer? Be still, my heart!

And to think I've been saving up my recycling pennies for Visual Studio .Net... Banging Head On Wall
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Dice currently has 384 C# jobs and only 64 Delphi jobs



And I would take that number with a grain of salt. You have to wonder how many of those Delphi postings are multiple submissions for the same job opening... Roll Eyes



I remember last year when there were 14 Dice postings for the same job opening at NEC here in Sacramento.



So, there are probably fewer Delphi openings than the Dice search indicates.



I would agree that it seems that that companies are catching C# fever.
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